I reviewed the book Those Across the River earlier this month. Now here's an interview with the author, Christopher Buehlman, a local boy:
After writing poetry and plays, you’ve
published your first novel. What attracted you to horror as a genre?
I always loved horror. And comedy. My
childhood reading consisted of Stephen King, Mad magazine and Eerie comics, so
it’s little wonder I tap both kegs when I write. Poetry tends to come out in
the pauses; short flings in between commitments.
One obvious advantage to setting the
novel during the days of the Great Depression was the length of time that had
passed since the Civil War. The days of slavery were far enough past to be
historical, yet close enough to still be affecting people’s lives. What were
some other advantages (or disadvantages) to using that particular historical
setting?
The 1930’s were the last recognizably modern
years in which you could take a town like Whitbrow and really cut it off. I
wanted it to have to live or die on its own, without the prospect of the FBI or
National guard rolling in to sort things out.
Can you tell me a little about
religion in the story? The town of Whitbrow has Christianized their
pig sacrifices to the extent that the preacher is one of the strongest voices
for maintaining the tradition. How does Frank’s disbelief work against him?
Frank is part of the ‘lost generation,’ a
very secular individual to start with, confirmed in it by his ghastly
experiences in France. I’m not sure this agnosticism works against him; if
anything, it leads him to a place of confrontation and questioning rather than
resignation. Whether he can win the conflict with acceptable losses or not, I
think we like him better than the ones who are willing to roll over. He’ll try
not to fight of course, but he won’t roll over.
A recurring theme in horror is
ignorance vs. knowledge. Generally, ignorance is bliss, and the story becomes a
battle between those who wish to remain ignorant and those (usually one
unfortunate hero) who must know the truth, no matter what the price. How do you
see this theme working itself out in the book? Is Frank that archetypal quester
for truth? Or is he blundering around stupidly? Or somewhere in the middle?
Somewhere in the middle. He wants to know,
but he doesn’t want to pay too high a price. When he is drawn into conflict, it
isn’t a matter of high-minded idealism so much as a sense of duty. He fights
not for truth, but in order to be able to live with himself-he doesn’t want to
be someone who runs away, so he makes himself throw in.
I think I could make the argument that
horror is closer than anything else we have right now to classical tragedy. In
this context, what is Frank’s tragic flaw? How do you feel about the
horror-tragedy comparison?
I think you’re right on with your comparison.
Perhaps the aforementioned sense of duty is Frank’s chronic undoing. He went to
fight in the trenches because he, like so many others, wanted to do the right
thing. He faces the horror in the woods because it has already begun preying on
his adopted community-he might well have picked up camp and gone North again,
and it would have been wise to do so. But I like Frank because he doesn’t
always do what’s wise. He’s no action-hero, but he is a guy you can count on to
do his best when things get rough, even if it costs him dearly.
I’m wondering about Dora as a character.
During some parts of the book, she comes across as a fully-realized individual,
with her own set of motivations, desires, and fears apart from Frank’s. Yet at
other times, she appears to be merely a victim. Does Dora get to have a tragic
flaw (i.e. would she be considered the “heroine” of the novel), or is her fate
merely part of Frank’s ultimate punishment?
Frank is the
protagonist, and Dora is, for the purposes of this narrative, caught in his
story in the same way that Eurydice is caught up in the story of Orpheus. I
think that your observation that she comes across alternately as a
self-actualized person and at other times a victim is true for many of us. I
wouldn’t necessarily assign her a ‘tragic flaw’ in the Greek sense; if she has
a tragic flaw, it’s that she’s a sensualist in a time that hasn’t given women
full license to inhabit that role. Eudora is a rich girl who walked away from
privilege. She wears her hair in the bob favored during the more open 1920’s,
and we sense that she wishes she had gotten to taste adulthood then instead of
during the beaten-down 1930’s. She feels
guilt (again, largely informed by societal norms), but this doesn’t prevent her
from enjoying life. And she is deeply in love with Frank, even if it isn’t
clear that she is capable of being sexually loyal to one partner indefinitely.
The town of Whitbrow has ritualized
the sending of the pigs in a way that’s reminiscent of the action in Shirley
Jackson’s “The Lottery.” In fact, I can imagine you asking, “What would have
happened had Jackson’s townspeople resisted their lottery?” and going from
there. Was “The Lottery” an influence for the book? What other conscious
influences were you playing off?
As alluded to before, Greek myth had a great
deal to do with this story-the muscle and skin of Those Across the River rests on a mythic skeleton. After I finished
the first draft, I realized that ‘Salem’s Lot was an influence as well; both
novels involve small towns confronting supernatural predation and slowly
unraveling under pressure. You’ve got a keen ear, though-Shirley Jackson’s The Haunting of Hill House might just be
the best horror novel ever written.
Switching to the personal for a
moment… how did you become Christophe the Insultor? Have I seen you at the Bay
Area Renaissance Festival?
Yep, that’s me. I was asked to run the stocks
(pillories) at the Bay Area renaissance festival in 1989. I was twenty years
old. People would give me a dollar to humiliate their victim in the stocks-my
predecessors had largely used props, and it was a photo opportunity as much as
anything else. But that wasn’t enough for me-I started talking to my locked-up
victims, telling them (absurdly) what wretched creatures they were and listing
their faults for the amusement of onlookers. That was the genesis. Over time it
mutated into a lane act independent of the stocks, and then into a stage act
that still tours the festival circuit.
There has to be some relationship between a
person who can invent creative insults and a horror writer. How would you
explain it?
“All comedy has a victim” the man said. I think that’s
true. I think that horror and comedy are actually very close cousins; we’re
horrified when our friend falls down the cliff, but we laugh when he gets up
swearing. I think laughter is a collective primate expression of relief;
short-circuited horror, if you like. Of course, this theory should not be
mistaken for science-these are just my own musings. In any event, I’ll probably
alternate between horror and comedy for the reminder of my writing career-I
like to provoke a physical reaction in the reader (or listener), because that’s
what I want done to me.
Thanks for asking such thoughtful questions, and kudos on
the graphic with the girl leading the pigs. I love it!
Article first published as Interview with the Author: Christopher Buehlman on Blogcritics.
Article first published as Interview with the Author: Christopher Buehlman on Blogcritics.
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